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vegasjj

   
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: Pain and Friends |
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I want to share with you all, my experience today from the Cake $2 buy-in.
Now to put this in the proper light I have to tell you I have an absolute bad luck streak, that is about 3 weeks old. I just cannot do anything right. KK busts, AA cracks, canot ctatch a flush or a str8 ever and so on... you all know what I mean - but 3 weeks is the longest I ever had. Makes me wonder if I should stop playing poker..... So I have just a bit over what it takes to play the Cake buy-in $25 added ... 12 people in ... 5 in the money ... I hope I will get to play a good game with my friends and not lose my money.
Second hand I get QQ. OK... smokin420 before me doubles the bb, I raise to pot = 95 - he calls. Flop is all cards lower then Q no pairs, 2 hearts. I bet 200 smokin420 goes all in... (with all the bad luck I have i refuse to be intimidated - and I call) - he has Ax hearts. OR really nothing at all other then a flush draw. but then of course - my luck does kick in and a A hits the board and I'm out.
I was bitter - downright emotional about it. I came to enjoy our games, the group, the people, the cheering, the banter... it is such a good group to play with ... why would one of us - on second hand of a tour go all in with nothing? It was an other bitter pill, leaving me with no funds on Cake, no fun at the game, and the bad streak alive and well.
Then ......
I tell BJ (bigjoo) my friend about my bad luck ... and without me asking he just tells me that he just transfered some money to my account .... and my e-mail is giving me a buzz - i got a pm on MLP - one of the real nice folks here (not sure if he would or would not give me permission to name him) sent me a pm - asking me for my e-mail so he can transfer me some funds.....
Well ... I have tears in my eyes again, but this time because I feel blessed and lucky to be part of this group.
So whipe your tears - end of soap...
Cheers
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: |
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MLP members are the greatest! That really was a touching story Judith. Like adam said, we're a family here!
And on the subject of your bad luck streak, I was just on a horrible bad luck streak, the worse one of my life. I was getting so many bad beats that I was bruised from head to toe! I had to take a couple breaks just because I couldn't stand it anymore. But I finally won a tourney yesterday and it was actually because my AJ beat the other guys AK. So feel free to take breaks so you dont go crazy with all the bad beats, but just don't give up! Poker will even out in the long run and you'll get your time! One of the best things about poker is just playing a game where everything seems to go right and you feel unstopable! And don't worry your time will come soon enough!  _________________
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:27 am Post subject: Hi |
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If i go on a bad streak i will take a approach like if I am on one site and keep losing... i have to re focus and i will be playing on a diff sit not becasue i m losig on one site its just that i need a diffent scenery and play diff types of people and that seems to make me more focus, and it helps me change my style some what and still stay with the same style i have.. i do that with live casionos tooo and then eventually i go baclk the same place again...all wells that ends wells _________________ Can you spare a medal? I need another medal |
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
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a lovely post judith, isn't great when people offer things without asking.
and in terms of the hand, he probably thought you would think exactly as you did without realizing what a strong position you were in. at the end of the day i'm sure you were be happy if all players made those kinds of moves post flop, it was just a bad beat. _________________
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Wow touching story JJ, :smt087 nice to hear there are such good people here. Well done Bigjoo for that altruistic gesture.
The sort of play that did for you last night is frustrating, it is a shame that some see our games as an opportunity to make a profit, treating the events as freerolls, (double up or double out) rather than a chance of some competition with friends, learning from each other to improve our skills.
If everyone played a $2.00 buy-in as if it were $200.00, I'm certain most of the loose play (2000 bet to win 200 chips) would be eradicated.
In smokin420's defence, I have played with him before and do not think him a bad player. Following that move he did not play badly with continual all-ins on rag aces, making me face some tough decisions a few times.
I hope he and you lock horns in the next game, there will be some fireworks going off then.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for sharing that with us Judith, it is nice to know that good things can happen as well as bad
Your run of bad luck will come to and end soon, we all experience times when nothing goes right but nothing lasts for ever.
As for the hand in question, he had 12 outs when he went all in (9 hearts and 3 aces) so it was nearly even money, I would have called to see the the next card but he may have hoped you would fold. |
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:17 am Post subject: |
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i no how frustrating poker can be (there has been the odd week or 5 when nothing can go right) you have to try and remember its only a game but easier said than done
there is a great group of ppl here a small and friendly feel to nearly all the games because it is a smaller more family vibe you dont get all the arguemants and bitcing of the bigger forums and it seems we have the nicer element of players joining because a lot is word and mouth i no more ppl meens more revenue but also with more ppl is more problems
i hope it continues to grow but with the right kind of people not just with free roll weasels (like that exspression)
getting back to why i posted eek just like to say good luck jude(vegas jj) dont like to hear you so upset as ive played with you for over a year now and you were a great vice captain and a good friend and still are and i have every faith in your ability to turn your bad run round as ive seen you kick butt loads of times
enough of my bull.... good luck everyone see you all soon
big
sorry about cake yesterday playing rubbish but it was brain damage waiting for the h4h thought i would do you all a favour  |
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: |
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sorry about cake yesterday playing rubbish but it was brain damage waiting for the h4h thought i would do you all a favour  |
about 2 minutes before big went out he said something like :
"this is going so slooooow"
i replied :
"well you could speed things up and go out".
....you didn't have to take me literally mate !
*note to self ........"Stay On Topic" ....sorry judith.  _________________
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: |
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I just did want to say thank you to all of you who have responded to my cry and joy. Again proving that the members of this forum are real people that care. By the way the person that send me the pm is someone that I do not have close ties to... which of course made the offer so much more heart warming.
As far as the hand ... well for one thing I never hold any grudges for poker play. We each have our style, sometimes that is influenced by our gutt and by our mood. I do not see myself playing in that stage of the tourney, that hand, in that particular way, in spite of the outs... but that is me... and everyone has the right to play thier own way.
It did feel as bad as it did more because of other circumstances ... ie no more cash and very long bad streak... I guess it felt like the proverbial last straw that brakes the camel's back.
This is not to say that I would not enjoy delivering a bad beat to smokin
And a quick update - I still did not manage to reach cash in any buy in game - but I did make $1.50 after 3.5 hours of play in a freeroll... The way I see it I reached the turning point - so you guys better watch out
Cheers
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Pain and Friends |
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| vegasjj wrote: | | Iwhy would one of us - on second hand of a tour go all in with nothing? |
It's a semi-bluff, albeit a big one, with the nut flush draw and possible outs with the other three aces. If hitting an A will win the hand, then he's somewhere around a 3:2 dog, and if just the flush is good, then about 3:1.
Certainly not the best play ever, but not the worst either. Actually, I think the original min-bet with Ax suited and also the subsequent call of your raise are just as questionable, maybe even more so.
And there's another interesting question too. If you knew his cards - and thus that you're about a 3:2 favorite, would you want him to go all in; i.e. are you willing to risk your tournament life that early as a modest favorite? No right answer, just an interesting question. |
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Pain and Friends |
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| Arjonius wrote: | | vegasjj wrote: | | Iwhy would one of us - on second hand of a tour go all in with nothing? |
It's a semi-bluff, albeit a big one, with the nut flush draw and possible outs with the other three aces. If hitting an A will win the hand, then he's somewhere around a 3:2 dog, and if just the flush is good, then about 3:1.
Certainly not the best play ever, but not the worst either. Actually, I think the original min-bet with Ax suited and also the subsequent call of your raise are just as questionable, maybe even more so.
And there's another interesting question too. If you knew his cards - and thus that you're about a 3:2 favorite, would you want him to go all in; i.e. are you willing to risk your tournament life that early as a modest favorite? No right answer, just an interesting question. |
Very interesting review of the hand. I'm always in learning posture - and I'm trying to understand what you're saying, but I am getting confused.
We are very very early in the tour. Why was his small raise and call, bad? He does have preflop a hand with potential, the price is very affordable to explore the hand. On the other hand - a all in preflop or after flop - I do not understand - it is just on a draw... no made hand, no hand to protect ... just a hope ... yes a number of hits are possible ... but they are still way less then 50% chance to happen - why risk your tourney life on a draw so early?
Or would you recommand a big bet with that hand - (pre flop or after flop) again this early in the tour - no one has a big stack... or need to do things as small stack...
Would love to hear more comments on the hand if anyone has some... this is interesting
Cheers
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:00 am Post subject: |
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A lot of times you can watch the pro's play QQ and similar hands much more slowly then you did. Preflop, and I don't know what the blinds where, your raise seems low. Either flat call to slow play or step on him. When the blinds are really cheap you can't look at a raise the same way. Even if you raised him 5 times it isn't that many chips. You may need to raise to 200 or 300. On the flop, don't give him control. Step on him again with that flop. Hit it for pot sized or more.
A lot of pro's will play the hand much slower. They will flat call preflop, check call the flop and be able to get away from their hands on the turn. (if the betting where different).
All of that being said.... Call his all in probably wasn't the greatest play. You are probably the favorite but why risk everything so early. (Yeah right).
Often is small stack tournaments you will run into this situation. I've busted more times then I care to remember in your situation.
At least everyone should consider slowing way down with big pairs early in tournments online, seems they get beat more often do to poor play. WTF you called a 10 times raise with that cheese??? Just remember 10 times is only 5-10 percent of your foes stack often calling with cheese in these situations is a good play. |
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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I just have to tell ya all - lady luck is shining on me once again
I just won a nice tourney yes yes 1st place
weeeeeeeee
$ 5 buy-in 27 people - money added - first place won $92.50
WOOHOOO
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Well done Judith on the win last night and good to see both your form changing a bit and the views of someone going through a similar faze to me. I am getting crippled with people calling riases with rag aces when i have the likes of KK, QQ or JJ. And i can't hit a flop to save my life and the few times I do with a pocket pairs i either get flushed or out triped on the turn or river. Makes the game a real trudge. but have seen this before and same out the other side stronger. Think yet another break might be in order
Since posting the above this happened to top my week off
First up i get KK in the big blind. We are 50 mins into a re-buy tourney on absolute when this happens and blinds are 100/50 and i have got up to 7000 chips from 3000 with out any re-buys. I raise up to 500 after a few limpers and only one calls. Flop comes 10 7 2 with two diamonds. I have K of diamonds so raise the pot only to get re-raised and all in by the other fella. It is only 400 more to call which i do. He has 10 7 suited of hearts.
I calm down and see i have 9 7 on the small blind. there are 4 limpers so i call for value.
flop comes 7 9 9. I think great might get those chips back from the last pot. One fella bets 100 into 800 pot a few fold then player to my left re-raises to 600. I think great will i flat call or bet. put him on the other 9 so decided i can get all his chips so re-raise him the minimum and he obliges by going all in and i gladly call. He has the 9 alright as well as a J. Turn comes J and it complete my week. I could have re-buyed but had not got the heart to play on after those two hands.
Not sure if I could have got out of the way of the carnage from either of these but am totally fed up with this game.
Think i am in need of a very stiff and a long break away from poker sites!!!!!!! |
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:48 am Post subject: |
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well done jj nice to see u in the money again its always a nice feeling  _________________ "A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?" |
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