Bad News For Kentucky (perhaps not so bad !)

addam00 · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:30 am Post subject:

I mean thats good. that there gonna send the money back.. I just want to put a deposit ion some of the site.. but i dont want it to be a like more bans for the usa.. hopefully the courts were favorin the poker peopl
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harry_lime · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject:

addam00 · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject:

I wonder if we maybe can have some games somewere weer all our apf players can play no matter were there from and if you cant get money added thats okie at least we can enjoy the company of some of our long time members.

so all this fuss harry what is predictton?

I think this topic should be a sticky for the time being
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harry_lime · Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject:

HOUSECATS · Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject:

I think you are absolutely right Harry. Just wait and see by this time next year it well be legal and taxed.
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HOUSECATS · Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject:

When well it end?

We regret to inform you that, effective immediately, AbsolutePoker.com is no longer available to Kentucky residents.

This means that you will not be able to access our website and software from within the state boundaries of Kentucky.

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If you have any questions or concerns, please contact us at support@absolutepoker.com.

We thank you for being a valued member of the Absolute Poker community.

Sincerely,
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We regret to inform you that, effective immediately, UltimateBet.com is no longer available to Kentucky residents.

This means that you will not be able to access our website and software from within the state boundaries of Kentucky.

You can access your account balance and initiate withdrawals by visiting the cashier.

If you have any questions or concerns, please contact us at support@ultimatebet.com.

We thank you for being a valued member of the UltimateBet community.

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harry_lime · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:58 am Post subject:

well at least they've made your cashier available which is better than some.

it's all gone a little quiet about this situation at the moment but i have a feeling there will be some updates soon.
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addam00 · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:05 am Post subject:

so Hosuecats i wonder if you could play if you sign up with a diffent adress and have llke a online bank from somewere else? and maybe you can find a fake ip adreess somewere.. so what sites can you play on HC
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harry_lime · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:08 am Post subject:

harry_lime · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject:

Update

So the only two rooms that still appear to be actively ignoring the ruling are Pokerstars and Full Tilt. The next date to watch out for will be Dec. 12th, when the ruling is due to be either officially implemented or overturned. There is a feeling it may now be the latter but don't hold your breath as we've already seen the stupidity of the courts before.

..we'll see !
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HOUSECATS · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:30 am Post subject:

Got my fingers crossed hope it all goes our way
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Miklosik · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:47 am Post subject:

Has Merge banned Kentuckyites? And Doyle's? Only new accts. right?
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harry_lime · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:31 am Post subject:

harry_lime · Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:00 am Post subject:

Update

So yesterday, the courts heard the appeal on all this and it seems to have gone pretty well. You can read the full story from our Poker News section. Just look for this headline :

Internet Domain Seizures Challenged in Kentucky Appeals Court
December 12, 2008 - The Kentucky Court of Appeals listened to oral arguments in a suit brought by the Interactive Media Entertainment & Gaming Association (iMEGA) to block the seizure of 141 Internet domain names by the Kentucky government.
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addam00 · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:40 am Post subject:

so we can have a game on fulltilt poker I know we would have to add ur won money or not have money garunteed.. just so we can play with HC I like that guy

oh what is geo blocking.. I gues the only way to be that is logg in from lik a computer somewere ellse than to your computer it seems like you woul have to use a 3rd party or something in that matter to get around it.
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harry_lime · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject:

HOUSECATS · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject:

Playersonly and sportbook opened back up to us but not the rest of the Cake network. I think more well open back up soon. Wish the courts would hurry up and make a decision
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HOUSECATS · Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject:

I got a unexpected x-mass gift today all of my cake network poker sites are opened back up to KY players
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harry_lime · Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject:

harry_lime · Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject:

Update

Word is that the Kentucky appeals decision on seizing poker domains is expected very soon.
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HOUSECATS · Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject:

YAAAAAAAAAAAAA Tired of waiting
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addam00 · Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:45 am Post subject:

well, right now i am not gonna mive to kentucky
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harry_lime · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:38 am Post subject:

Big news people and hot off the presses - finally a win for the little guys !!! I'm posting the whole article verbatum as this is some really great news. It will be very interesting to see the reaction from networks like Microgaming, Cake and Cereus after this decision. Could the timing of this have even further ramifications down the line ? ...who knows. Any which way, enjoy - cheers h

Breaking News :
Online Gaming Successful in Kentucky
By Dan Cypra for POKER NEWS DAILY | Posted on January 20, 2009

It was inauguration day in Washington, D.C., the capital of the United States. Millions descended in celebration of the newly-elected President. In Kentucky, the online gaming world rejoiced, as the seizure and potential forfeiture of 141 internet gambling domain names was blocked by a three judge Court of Appeals panel.

The decision came down two to one in favor of the internet gambling industry, which successfully petitioned to have the Court of Appeals hear the case after a lower court ruling upheld the Commonwealth’s actions. In the process, the Merge Gaming Network, Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker, and the Cake Poker Network all fled the state in order to preserve their URLs worldwide. The three judge court of Appeals panel, which featured Michelle Keller, Jeff Taylor, and Michael Caperton, was expected to hand down a decision by the end of the month after oral arguments were heard in December in a court room in Louisville. A ruling officially occurred on Tuesday afternoon.

In a statement posted on the website of the Interactive Media Entertainment and Gaming Association (iMEGA), Chairman Joe Brennan commented, “We are very happy with the court’s ruling today. The judges clearly agreed with our interpretation of the law, and thankfully, this reverses what would have been a terrible precedent for our country and the Internet.” iMEGA, along with the Interactive Gaming Council, served as representatives of the internet gambling industry. In addition, organizations such as the Poker Players Alliance (PPA) and American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) submitted amicus briefs. The PPA stressed poker as a game of skill, therefore not a crime under Kentucky law, and the ACLU warned as to infringements of the First Amendment.

In their rulings, the three judge Court of Appeals panel focused on whether the Commonwealth had jurisdiction to act in the case. The websites in question were seized as “gambling devices” and identified as illegal under Kentucky state law. Judge Keller answered definitively whether domain names constituted “gambling devices” by saying “[I]t stretches credulity to conclude that a series of numbers, or Internet address, can be said to constitute a “machine or any mechanical or other device…designed and manufactured primarily for use in connection with gambling.” Lawyers in the case questioned advertising of Horseshoe Casino, which is located across the Ohio River from Kentucky in Southern Indiana, asking state officials whether billboards and buses that transported customers to the casinos also were considered “gambling devices.” The State’s response: Yes, they were.

Judge Taylor focused on the civil proceeding of a criminal act, illegal gambling. In essence, the Commonwealth had tried to use a civil proceeding to prosecute a criminal offense. Judge Caperton passed don the lone dissenting opinion, claiming that domain names were part of “a larger mechanism for gambling,” according to text found on iMEGA’s website.

No word of an appeal by the Commonwealth has been handed down as of press time. Jon L. Fleischaker, attorney for iMEGA, commented “This decision confirms why we went the way we did with suit. We knew when we brought this to the Court of Appeals, that we would get justice for iMEGA and the domain names in Kentucky.”
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HOUSECATS · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:43 am Post subject:

Yes some great news Thanks Harry
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Know-nuffin · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:05 am Post subject:

Wow that's good news, although it is only about domain names and is still a long way from giving American players total freedom to play internet poker.

This combined with Harry's other piece with the ruling that poker is a game of skill are steps in the right direction.

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KITYKATS · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject:

Glad to see something good for poker players. Maybe they well make it legal in the U.S. with Obama as president.
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harry_lime · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:04 am Post subject:

Update

Unsurprisingly, the Governor of Kentucky has now filed an appeal against the recent appeal decision to overturn his proposed forfeiture of 140 gambling domains !

Nothing to be alarmed about yet, this was always going to happen.
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HOUSECATS · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:20 pm Post subject:

KY is $153MILLION in debt state workers work less days a week to save money.
Yet he still wants to waste money on this and go to the supreme court.
Maybe he wants to lose at the supreme court level so he can get his slot machine at the race tracks.
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Miklosik · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:46 am Post subject:

HOUSECATS · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:14 am Post subject:

Kentucky State Supreme Court
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harry_lime · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject:

Here's the latest development on the Kentuckians issue. Clutching at straws if you ask me but still worth being a little nervous in case someone makes a dumb decision. At the end of the day, at least things will become clearer once this case is settled and set a president for other, similar issues - harry.

Kentucky Asks for Additional Pages in Internet Gambling Brief
By Dan Cypra for POKER NEWS DAILY | Posted on February 12, 2009

The Commonwealth of Kentucky petitioned its State Supreme Court for 30 additional pages in order to explain its case against the owners of 141 internet gambling domain names. Regularly, 50 pages are allowed in Supreme Court briefs; attorneys for Kentucky are asking for 80.

If the additional pages are frowned upon by the Kentucky Supreme Court, the Commonwealth requested an additional 10 days to pare down its arguments. The State outlined the reason for requesting additional real estate: “The briefing in this matter requires significant attention to a predicate issue – that of standing of the illegal gambling associations and the dot-com pseudonyms to appear in defense of property in which they claim no legal interest, as surrogates for anonymous offshore parties engaged in an illegal enterprise.”

The “illegal gambling associations” likely refer to the Interactive Media Entertainment and Gaming Association (iMEGA) and the Interactive Gaming Council (IGC), which, along with PlayersOnly.com, Sportsbook.com, SportsInteraction.com, MySportsbook.com, Linesmaker.com, and VicsBingo.com, are specifically named as defendants in the case. Last month, the Kentucky Court of Appeals ruled by a two to one margin that the Commonwealth did not have jurisdiction to seize domain names as “gambling devices,” a term that traditionally refers to mechanical objects such as roulette wheels and slot machines that you’d find in an underground casino.

Joe Brennan, Chairman of iMEGA, told Poker News Daily, “So far, their argument has boiled down to ‘a domain is a gambling device and these are very bad people who have no right to be represented in court.’ How many more pages do they need to say that?” The Commonwealth noted that three Writs of Prohibition were filed to the Kentucky Court of Appeals totaling 105 pages. In addition, amicus briefs were also submitted by organizations including the Poker Players Alliance (PPA) and American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

The legal battles in Kentucky began in September, when it was revealed that Governor Steve Beshear ordered the seizure of 141 of the world’s largest most recognizable gambling domain names, including those belonging to PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker, and Doyle’s Room. The websites were seized on the grounds that they were gambling devices operating illegally in Kentucky.

In October, Circuit Court Judge Thomas Wingate upheld the actions of Beshear and scheduled a final forfeiture hearing in December. iMEGA and the IGC immediately asked the Court of Appeals to intervene, a request that was granted in December. A hearing in Louisville that month in front of a three judge Court of Appeals panel lasted one hour and focused on whether Kentucky had jurisdiction to act. That question was settled last month.

However, with a favorable ruling from Judge Wingate as well as a dissenting opinion on the Court of Appeals, the State appealed the ruling to its Supreme Court. There has been no official word as to when and if the case will be heard by the state’s highest court. The legal proceedings in Kentucky have been watched intently by groups like the ACLU and Bluegrass Institute, which have focused on the First Amendment violations of Beshear’s actions. Industry organizations also question the role of Justice and Public Safety Cabinet Secretary J. Michael Brown, who is steering the case instead of Kentucky’s Attorney General.

Regarding the challenge of standing outlined by Kentucky in its request for more space, Brennan retorted, “Perhaps they might review Hunt v. Washington State Apple Advertsing Commission, where the U.S. Supreme Court established the right of associations to stand in court on the behalf of their members. Since that’s been a settled issue since 1977, I think it’s time for the Commonwealth’s attorneys to move on.” In iMEGA’s legal battle over the constitutionality of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA), Mary L. Cooper, a U.S. District Court Judge, granted iMEGA standing to sue on behalf of the internet gambling industry. Brennan told Poker News Daily, “If it’s good enough for the U.S. District Court, it’s good enough for Kentucky.”

No timeline has been given for when the Kentucky Supreme Court will respond to the Commonwealth attorneys’ request for additional time or space. If successful, the 141 domain names in jeopardy would be inaccessible not just from Kentucky, but from all over the world.
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KITYKATS · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject:

WOW that could be bad for everone
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HOUSECATS · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject:

Has anyone seen any updates on the KY poker case? I can't find anything about it right now.
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harry_lime · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:02 am Post subject:

addam00 · Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:45 am Post subject:

how about some really bad news minnesota.. there gonna blk there ipn so they wont able to play on poker sites, do we ahve any regular players from there?
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harry_lime · Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject:

addam00 · Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:43 am Post subject:

ya I meant the ip adresses..... I wonder if I bought a computer from engaln and find a england adress I wonedre if I coudl play those other sites in the US that dont allow us players... but you are being right haryy when you say its gonna get worse before better.
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harry_lime · Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:47 pm Post subject:

harry_lime · Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 7:38 am Post subject:

In this weeks Perspective Weekly video, J. Todd talks directly about the Minnesota situation and touches upon Barney Franks almost completed bill to regulate online gambling.

Interesting stuff : http://alternate-poker.com/poker-news.php
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addam00 · Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 7:19 am Post subject:

wow... what kina amazez me is californai ia almost on the verge of legalizing online poker and other states want to banned and some what to legalize.. it.. I just think some states what other to legalize it and it see hows it works and if itr works for the good for everybody I think others wikkk follow,
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