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[Know-nuffin]

Regged 15 mins late for the morning $2 08 game, so had little time to get any reads.  Still suppin' my coffee on the 3rd hand I was dealt...    what to do?

Full Tilt Poker Game #21819316030: $2 + $0.20 Tournament

(168226408), Table 5 - 25/50 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 6:18:14 ET - 2010/06/23
Seat 1: yura2303 (2,945)
Seat 2: 24inchscreen (1,500)
Seat 3: drpinus (4,692)
Seat 4: FAQdumASS (3,355)
Seat 5: gwsteel (1,126)
Seat 6: Know-nuffin (1,425)
Seat 7: cin220369 (708)
Seat 8: Whiteboy41 (4,909)
Seat 9: PawelR777 (1,800)
cin220369 posts the small blind of 25
Whiteboy41 posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Know-nuffin [4s 8d Ac 7c]
PawelR777 calls 50
yura2303 folds
drpinus calls 50
FAQdumASS calls 50
gwsteel has 15 seconds left to act
gwsteel calls 50
Know-nuffin calls 50
cin220369 calls 25
Whiteboy41 checks
*** FLOP *** [3h 5c 4.c]
cin220369 bets 350
Whiteboy41 raises to 700
PawelR777 folds
drpinus folds
FAQdumASS raises to 2,800
gwsteel folds
Know-nuffin has 15 seconds left to act
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[Miklosik]

all things being equal, there will only be 3 clubs left in the deck, they both have the nut low so all you can hope for is a club or the 6.  It's $2, though and that will change ppls play.  How long before the next one starts?  If you're committed to playing that game then fold.
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[harry_lime]

yeah, totally agree with Mik there and you're in for so little money (plus the low hand must already be there), why risk it ?

i've put this through the new poker hand replayer which you can see here :

http://www.alternate-poker.com/poker-hand-replayer.html?nid=263994
it's not really meant for omaha hi/lo, but it helps a bit seeing the action.
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[DangerMouse]

I would have folded pre-flop in all likelihood. Now it`s a choice of take a gamble and maybe get a decent starting stack or fold. You`ve only got 50 invested and you`re only really aiming to take half the pot, unless you get lucky and spike a deuce. However if Whiteboy is likely to call or ideally push over  the third raise then you`ll be getting about the right price to draw to half the pot.

I could fold or call depending on how much gamble I had in me on the day. Today I say call.
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[Arjonius]

This is the kind of hand I'm trying to train myself to fold more consistently pre-flop - looks kind of playable but isn't strong in either direction.

Having limped, I fold very easily to the flop action.  Someone has the nut low, so I'm pretty likely to be drawing for half the pot plus my tournament life against multiple live opponents.  No thanks
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[DangerMouse]

I`ve been thinking about this hand.

Normally KN`s hand isn`t very playable but with multiple limpers there are probably enough implied odds to limp in too.

Having limped in there`s a ton of action on the flop. At least one player has A2 giving them the nut low. I think though that whiteboy also has A2 and will almost certainly push all-in. Neither of the other players are going to fold which gives us an implied pot size of about 7,600. We`re looking at trying to win half that and maybe get lucky and take some of the low too. So half is 3800 we`re calling 1375 to try and win that so a little under 3-1 odds. So taking into account the times we pick up some of the low the implied odds are reasonable for a call. It really depends if you want to risk your tournament life or not and I reckon you did.

I don`t think there`s a "wrong" answer here, call or fold are equally good.
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[DangerMouse]

Time`s up KN!
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[Mrs know-nuffin]

This certainly is not an easy decision and I think Miks point about how long to the next game may count.

You get the feeling that someone has got A2 but then again I have been in games where others go all in with trips on a straight board trying to protect it, so there is no way to tell.

I think if you fancied a gamble the draws are pretty good. Assuming that you do not know what the others have there are 9 more clubs to come to give you the nut flush and 3 more 6's to give you the highest straight. Let alone maybe 3 more 2's that mean you might share the low straight although i appreciate you may come away with less than you put in, in this case. So about a 60% chance of a catch.

Quite a few outs and loads of chips in that pot. If you are feeling pretty relaxed about the game then could be worth a gamble at this early stage.
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[Know-nuffin]

Know-nuffin calls 1,375, and is all in
cin220369 calls 308, and is all in
Whiteboy41 calls 2,100
*** TURN *** [3h 5c 4.c] [9h]
Whiteboy41 checks
FAQdumASS bets 505, and is all in
Whiteboy41 calls 505
FAQdumASS shows [Qh Jh Ah 2h]
Know-nuffin shows [4s 8d Ac 7c]
cin220369 shows [7h Kc 6h 5d]
Whiteboy41 shows [6s 7s 6c Td]
*** RIVER *** [3h 5c 4.c 9h] [8c]
FAQdumASS shows a straight, Five high, for high and 5,4,3,2,A, for low
Whiteboy41 shows a straight, Nine high, for high and 7,6,5,4,3, for low
Whiteboy41 wins high side pot #2 (1,930) with a straight, Nine high
FAQdumASS wins low side pot #2 (1,930) with 5,4,3,2,A
Know-nuffin shows a flush, Ace high, for high and 7,5,4,3,A, for low
Know-nuffin wins high side pot #1 (1,076) with a flush, Ace high
FAQdumASS wins low side pot #1 (1,075) with 5,4,3,2,A
cin220369 shows a straight, Nine high, for high and 7,6,5,4,3, for low
Know-nuffin wins the high main pot (1,491) with a flush, Ace high
FAQdumASS wins the low main pot (1,491) with 5,4,3,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8,993 Main pot 2,982. Side pot 1 2,151. Side pot 2 3,860. | Rake 0
Board: [3h 5c 4.c 9h 8c]
Seat 1: yura2303 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: 24inchscreen is sitting out
Seat 3: drpinus folded on the Flop
Seat 4: FAQdumASS showed [Qh Jh Ah 2h] and won (4,496) with HI: a straight, Five high; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
Seat 5: gwsteel folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Know-nuffin (button) showed [4s 8d Ac 7c] and won (2,567) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 7,5,4,3,A
Seat 7: cin220369 (small blind) showed [7h Kc 6h 5d] and lost with HI: a straight, Nine high; LO: 7,6,5,4,3
Seat 8: Whiteboy41 (big blind) showed [6s 7s 6c Td] and won (1,930) with HI: a straight, Nine high; LO: 7,6,5,4,3
Seat 9: PawelR777 folded on the Flop

For sure this was a huge early gamble on my part.  

Yep I made the call mostly on odds, partly knowing that this game is often loose beyond reason for most of the first hour and a tiny bit because there was an 8-game tourney starting on Pstars that I like playing too.

I was surprised to see three made hands.

I figured I was up against an A-2 hand, and anything from an over pair to a straight for the high. I counted a few outs; the 2c being a magic card.

'Hapi' the river god came to my aid.

This is similar to a hand I posted about before http://alternate-poker-forum.com/about5343.html where I didn't believe in a vunerable made hand that whiteboy and Cin did from a cheap look and a lucky flop.
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